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=Discussion, ideas, brainstormings goes here=
=Discussion, ideas, brainstormings goes here=
No hurry this rebuilding take days, weeks or more in the way i see, at this day (october 7 2017) the emulation frontpage and talk pages has been splitted and cleaned up completly, the reason for this carnage is because i think is better to start from scratch without any restriction in how are going to look and his purposes, there are a lot fo details needed to be mentioned but this is just an introductory explain of the discussion that goes under this line, feel free to join the party by giving your ideas and oppinions and help to solve the problems
No hurry this rebuilding take days, weeks or more in the way i see, at this day (october 7 2017) the emulation frontpage and talk pages has been splitted and cleaned up completly, the reason for this carnage is because i think is better to start from scratch without any restriction in how are going to look and his purposes, there are a lot fo details needed to be mentioned but this is just an introductory explain of the discussion that goes under this line, feel free to join the party by giving your ideas and oppinions and help to solve the problems
==Bringing back some moved texts==
Probably there are lot of small sentences or sections that has been moved to the other pages... but could fit well here because are general concepts or could work as an introduction... the rule of gold now is this page is "noob oriented" and the others are "technically oriented", im not experienced in emulators so much to make this changes rewriting and moving texts back and forth and i fear to "break" something though--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)


==Wiki main page templates restructuring==
==Wiki main page templates restructuring==
I think we need a new template on main page for the game compatibility lists, actually right now are inside a "revere engineering" template and thats not right. Additionally we have the page OFW2CFW game compatibility list that doesnt fits in any other template... so in few words we need a {{Game Compatibility Lists}} template for the main page... or something like that (any idea is welcome)--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
I think we need a new template on main page for the game compatibility lists, actually right now are inside a "revere engineering" template and thats not right. Additionally we have the page OFW2CFW game compatibility list that doesnt fits in any other template... so in few words we need a {{Game Compatibility Lists}} template for the main page... or something like that (any idea is welcome)--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)


==PS1, PS2, PSP Game compatibility lists in talk pages==
{{Navbox
There was some huge compatibility lists made by euss iirc that has been moved to [[Talk:PS1 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]], [[Talk:PS2 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]], and [[Talk:PSP Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]. Was made long ago when there was no pages in wiki dedicated to games compatibility, now we are using a new style for game compatibility lists such [[PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]], we should try to move that info to the new format and creating all the needed new pages for the different "emulation enviroments" (i like how sounds this concept btw, is noob friendly, explicit, and accurate)--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
|name      = Game Compatibility lists
|title      = [[Game Compatibility lists]]
|image      = [[File:Imbox featured.png|50px|link=|alt=]]
|listclass  = hlist
|state      = uncollapsed
 
|group1    = PS3
|list1    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |group1  =
  |list1    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |list1  = [[CFW2OFW Compatibility List]]
  }}
}}
 
|group2    = PS2
|list2    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |group1  =
  |list1    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |list1  = [[PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]
  }}
}}
 
|group3    = PS1
|list3    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |group1  =
  |list1    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |list1  = [[PS1 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]
  }}
}}


==Bringing back some moved texts==
|group4    = PSP
Probably there are lot of small sentences or sections that has been moved to the other pages... but could fit well here because are general concepts or could work as an introduction... the rule of gold now is this page is "noob oriented" and the others are "technically oriented", im not experienced in emulators so much to make this changes rewriting and moving texts back and forth and i fear to "break" something though--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
|list4    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |group1  =  
  |list1    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |list1  = [[PSP Emulator Compatibility List]]
  }}
}}


==About the names used in the new pages==
}}
[[PS1 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]], [[PS2 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]], [[PSP Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]... Are long names and a bit redundant, the tail "in PS3 firmware" is because i want to avoid any missunderstandign incase some wiki editor wants to write something related with other kind of emulators (not included as part of PS3 firmware), so if at some point other people wants to create new pages about other type of emualators (standalone programas) then is ok, wiki is ready for that because this names are very explicit, also the names includes the concept of "emulation enviroments" because PS3 firmware contains several emulators of each emulated platform (the newemu, netemu, softemu etc...). To solve the problem of the long page names has been created the redirections [[PS1 Emulators]], [[PS2 Emulators]], [[PSP Emulators]], im not sure if is a good idea to use them though, if someone has a better idea we are on time of changing all this, if there is some important change needed to do related with this page names discuss it here because this is the kind of thing that needs to be changed better soon than later--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 14:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)


=Table tests goes here=
==PS1, PS2, PSP Game compatibility lists in talk pages==
All tests with tables, design or style experiments to try to show the info in a intuitive way goes here
There was some huge compatibility lists made by euss iirc that has been moved to [[Talk:PS1 Emulation]], [[Talk:PS2 Emulation]], and [[Talk:PSP Emulation]]. Was made long ago when there was no pages in wiki dedicated to games compatibility, now we are using a new style for game compatibility lists such [[PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]], we should try to move that info to the new format and creating all the needed new pages for the different "emulation enviroments" (i like how sounds this concept btw, is noob friendly, explicit, and accurate)--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)


==Wiki avigation tables/lists for emulation frontpage==
==Wiki avigation tables/lists for emulation frontpage==
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**savedata format (usb)    - dev_usb0/PS3/EXPORT/PSV/<Save_ID>.PSV
**savedata format (usb)    - dev_usb0/PS3/EXPORT/PSV/<Save_ID>.PSV
**savedata format (mc)    - mc_root/ (by using a memory card adapter)
**savedata format (mc)    - mc_root/ (by using a memory card adapter)
**technical page          - [[PS1 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**technical page          - [[PS1 Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - NEEDED
**game compatibility list  - NEEDED


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**savedata format (usb)    - dev_usb0/PSP/SAVEDATA/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/SCEVMC0.VMP
**savedata format (usb)    - dev_usb0/PSP/SAVEDATA/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/SCEVMC0.VMP
**savedata format (mc)    - allowed ?
**savedata format (mc)    - allowed ?
**technical page          - [[PS1 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**technical page          - [[PS1 Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - [[PS1 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]
**game compatibility list  - [[PS1 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]


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**game format              - ?
**game format              - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page          - [[PS1 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**technical page          - [[PS1 Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - needed ?
**game compatibility list  - needed ?


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**game install            - yes (only few games, by using a PS2 virtual hdd IMAGE.DAT)
**game install            - yes (only few games, by using a PS2 virtual hdd IMAGE.DAT)
**savedata format/path    - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - NEEDED
**game compatibility list  - NEEDED


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**game install            - yes (only few games, by using a PS2 virtual hdd IMAGE.DAT)
**game install            - yes (only few games, by using a PS2 virtual hdd IMAGE.DAT)
**savedata format/path    - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - NEEDED
**game compatibility list  - NEEDED


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**game format              - original CD/DVD inserted in the drive
**game format              - original CD/DVD inserted in the drive
**savedata format/path    - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - not needed (abandoned officially and superseded by netemu)
**game compatibility list  - not needed (abandoned officially and superseded by netemu)


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**savedata format/path    - APPDIR/USRDIR/SAVEDATA/SCEVMC0.VME and SCEVMC1.VME
**savedata format/path    - APPDIR/USRDIR/SAVEDATA/SCEVMC0.VME and SCEVMC1.VME
**settings                - by using CONFIG files
**settings                - by using CONFIG files
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - [[PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]
**game compatibility list  - [[PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]


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**savedata format (usb)    - dev_usb0/PSP/SAVEDATA/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/Files
**savedata format (usb)    - dev_usb0/PSP/SAVEDATA/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/Files
**savedata format/path    - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page          - [[PSP Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**technical page          - [[PSP Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - [[PSP Emulator Compatibility List]]
**game compatibility list  - [[PSP Emulator Compatibility List]]


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**game format              - ?
**game format              - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page          - [[PSP Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**technical page          - [[PSP Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - Needed ? (for minis ?)
**game compatibility list  - Needed ? (for minis ?)
==Game Compatibility lists (template for wiki main page)==
{{Navbox
|name      = Game Compatibility lists
|title      = [[Game Compatibility lists]]
|image      = [[File:Imbox featured.png|50px|link=|alt=]]
|listclass  = hlist
|state      = uncollapsed
|group1    = PS3
|list1    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |group1  =
  |list1    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |list1  = [[CFW2OFW Compatibility List]]
  }}
}}
|group2    = PS2
|list2    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |group1  =
  |list1    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |list1  = [[PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]
  }}
}}
|group3    = PS1
|list3    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |group1  =
  |list1    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |list1  = [[PS1 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]
  }}
}}
|group4    = PSP
|list4    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |group1  =
  |list1    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |list1  = [[PSP Emulator Compatibility List]]
  }}
}}
}}
==Emulator files changelog==
*I made a table intended to be generic for PS1, PS2, PSP emulator files, is copypasted here incase someone wants to use it as a guinea pig to show your ideas to other wiki editors, and to discuss if is needed to modify or add/remove something because i think i sucessfully made room in it for everything that i thought could be interesting to be displayed in it (im 100% happy with it... by now), im not going to modify the original one i did in the PS1 talk page and i have no idea what will happen to it (abandoned, completed, moved, etc...), im not going to try to complete it, that would need lot of info i dont have, so use this one as guinea pig, the other was a experiment and has been left in pause from my side
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size:x-small;"
|+PS1 Emulators versions
! rowspan="2" | File Name !! rowspan="2" | Size<BR />(bytes) !! rowspan="2" | Hash<BR />(MD5) !! colspan="9" | Firmware !! colspan="3" | Emulator info !! rowspan="2" | Notes, notable changes, etc...
|-
! [[1.00_CEX|1.00]] !! [[1.02_CEX|1.02]] !! [[1.10_CEX|1.10]]~[[1.60_CEX|1.60]] !! [[1.70_CEX|1.70]] !! [[1.80_CEX|1.80]]~[[2.01_CEX|2.01]] !! [[2.10_CEX|2.10]] !! [[2.16_CEX|2.16]]~[[4.11_CEX|4.11]] !! [[4.15_CEX|4.15]]~[[4.80_CEX|4.80]] !! [[4.81_CEX|4.81]] !! Revision !! Contents !! Others
|-{{cellcolors|lightgrey}}
! rowspan="2" | ps1_emu.elf<br>(decrypted)
| 10.296.408 || C5FE03742A951194C336EE33783F5CD6 || {{no}} || {{yes}} || ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{no}} || <abbr title="this is a temporal identifyer used for wiki purposes until someone finds and documents the official internal revision number of this specific emulator file... after knowing that we can replace the vX by the real revision number">v1</abbr> ||  ||  ||
|-
| 2.765.616 || 2123E3D6A8E81647CB41F51AFEE6CCD6 || colspan="2" {{no}} || ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{yes}} ||  ||  ||  ||
|-{{cellcolors|lightgrey}}
! rowspan="2" | ps1_netemu.elf<br>(decrypted)
| ? || ? || colspan="3" {{no}} || {{yes}} || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{no}} || <abbr title="this is a temporal identifyer used for wiki purposes until someone finds and documents the official internal revision number of this specific emulator file... after knowing that we can replace the vX by the real revision number">v1</abbr> ||  ||  ||
|-
| 2.913.656 || 8765A00EE467B8635A13ECCBB1F85B89 || colspan="4" {{no}} || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{yes}} ||  ||  ||  ||
|-{{cellcolors|lightgrey}}
! rowspan="2" | ps1_newemu.elf<br>(decrypted)
| ? || ? || colspan="5" {{no}} || {{yes}} || ? || ? || {{no}} || <abbr title="this is a temporal identifyer used for wiki purposes until someone finds and documents the official internal revision number of this specific emulator file... after knowing that we can replace the vX by the real revision number">v1</abbr> ||  ||  ||
|-
| 2.649.272 || 0C76DE974439B12546EA494639C8EE9A || colspan="6" {{no}} || ? || ? || {{yes}} ||  ||  ||  ||
|-{{cellcolors|lightgrey}}
! rowspan="2" | ps1_rom.bin<br>(original)
| ? || <abbr title="this needs to be replaced by the MD5">CRC32:D5FF6273</abbr> || colspan="5" {{no}} || colspan="2" {{yes}} || ? || {{no}} || <abbr title="this is a temporal identifyer used for wiki purposes until someone finds and documents the official internal revision number of this specific emulator file... after knowing that we can replace the vX by the real revision number">v1</abbr> ||  ||  ||
|-
| 524.288 || 81BBE60BA7A3D1CEA1D48C14CBCC647B || colspan="7" {{no}} || ? || {{yes}} ||  ||  ||  ||
|}

Revision as of 22:43, 10 December 2017

Discussion, ideas, brainstormings goes here

No hurry this rebuilding take days, weeks or more in the way i see, at this day (october 7 2017) the emulation frontpage and talk pages has been splitted and cleaned up completly, the reason for this carnage is because i think is better to start from scratch without any restriction in how are going to look and his purposes, there are a lot fo details needed to be mentioned but this is just an introductory explain of the discussion that goes under this line, feel free to join the party by giving your ideas and oppinions and help to solve the problems

Bringing back some moved texts

Probably there are lot of small sentences or sections that has been moved to the other pages... but could fit well here because are general concepts or could work as an introduction... the rule of gold now is this page is "noob oriented" and the others are "technically oriented", im not experienced in emulators so much to make this changes rewriting and moving texts back and forth and i fear to "break" something though--Sandungas (talk) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Wiki main page templates restructuring

I think we need a new template on main page for the game compatibility lists, actually right now are inside a "revere engineering" template and thats not right. Additionally we have the page OFW2CFW game compatibility list that doesnt fits in any other template... so in few words we need a Template:Game Compatibility Lists template for the main page... or something like that (any idea is welcome)--Sandungas (talk) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

PS3
PS2
PS1
PSP

PS1, PS2, PSP Game compatibility lists in talk pages

There was some huge compatibility lists made by euss iirc that has been moved to Talk:PS1 Emulation, Talk:PS2 Emulation, and Talk:PSP Emulation. Was made long ago when there was no pages in wiki dedicated to games compatibility, now we are using a new style for game compatibility lists such PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List, we should try to move that info to the new format and creating all the needed new pages for the different "emulation enviroments" (i like how sounds this concept btw, is noob friendly, explicit, and accurate)--Sandungas (talk) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Wiki avigation tables/lists for emulation frontpage

  • ps1_emu.self
    • available for PS3 models - all
    • available in firmwares - since 1.02
    • game format - original CD inserted in the drive
    • savedata format (hdd) - dev_hdd0/savedata/vmc/<virtual_memcard>.VM1
    • savedata format (usb) - dev_usb0/PS3/EXPORT/PSV/<Save_ID>.PSV
    • savedata format (mc) - mc_root/ (by using a memory card adapter)
    • technical page - PS1 Emulation
    • game compatibility list - NEEDED
  • ps1_netemu.self
    • available for PS3 models - all (PS1 classics)
    • available in firmwares - since 1.70
    • game format - ISO.BIN.EDAT (officially), BIN/CUE (unofficially)
    • savedata format (hdd) - ?
    • savedata format (usb) - dev_usb0/PSP/SAVEDATA/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/SCEVMC0.VMP
    • savedata format (mc) - allowed ?
    • technical page - PS1 Emulation
    • game compatibility list - PS1 Classics Emulator Compatibility List
  • ps1_newemu.self
    • available for PS3 models - ?
    • available in firmwares - since 2.10
    • game format - ?
    • savedata format/path - ?
    • technical page - PS1 Emulation
    • game compatibility list - needed ?


  • ps2_emu.self
    • available for PS3 models - CECHA and CECHB (COK-001)
    • available in firmwares - since 1.02
    • game format - original CD/DVD inserted in the drive
    • savedata format (hdd) - dev_hdd0/savedata/vmc/<virtual_memcard>.VM2
    • savedata format (usb) - dev_usb0/PS3/EXPORT/PSV/<Save_ID>.PSV
    • savedata format (mc) - mc_root/ (by using a memory card adapter)
    • game install - yes (only few games, by using a PS2 virtual hdd IMAGE.DAT)
    • savedata format/path - ?
    • technical page - PS2 Emulation
    • game compatibility list - NEEDED
  • ps2_gxemu.self
    • available for PS3 models - CECHC (COK-002)
    • available in firmwares - since 1.50
    • game format - original CD/DVD inserted in the drive
    • game install - yes (only few games, by using a PS2 virtual hdd IMAGE.DAT)
    • savedata format/path - ?
    • technical page - PS2 Emulation
    • game compatibility list - NEEDED
  • ps2_softemu.self
    • available for PS3 models - fats/slim newer than CECHC
    • available in firmwares - since 1.90 then blocked in 3.50 and removed in 4.21 ?
    • game format - original CD/DVD inserted in the drive
    • savedata format/path - ?
    • technical page - PS2 Emulation
    • game compatibility list - not needed (abandoned officially and superseded by netemu)
  • ps2_netemu.self
    • available for PS3 models - all (PS2 classics)
    • available in firmwares - since 3.70
    • game format - ISO.BIN.EDAT ISO.BIN.ENC (officially), BIN CUE (unofficially)
    • savedata format/path - APPDIR/USRDIR/SAVEDATA/SCEVMC0.VME and SCEVMC1.VME
    • settings - by using CONFIG files
    • technical page - PS2 Emulation
    • game compatibility list - PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List


  • psp_emulator.elf
    • available for PS3 models - all but CECHB ? (PSP Remasters ?)
    • available in firmwares - since 3.15
    • game format - ISO.BIN.EDAT and APPDIR/USRDIR/CONTENT/EBOOT.PBP/DATA.PSAR ? (PSP minis)
    • savedata format (hdd) - dev_hdd0/home/<userid>/minis_savedata/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/Files
    • savedata format (usb) - dev_usb0/PSP/SAVEDATA/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/Files
    • savedata format/path - ?
    • technical page - PSP Emulation
    • game compatibility list - PSP Emulator Compatibility List
  • psp_translator.elf
    • available for PS3 models - all but CECHB ? (PSP Minis ?)
    • available in firmwares - since 3.15
    • game format - ?
    • savedata format/path - ?
    • technical page - PSP Emulation
    • game compatibility list - Needed ? (for minis ?)
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