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Screenshot examples

Syscon string format speculation

There are motherboards with 4.00 firmware with a string filled with zeroes after the "." (0000000000000000). This zeroes means that his SoftID includes all the needed patches (in other words... 4.00ofw contains no patches aplicables to this syscon)

There is a direct relationship between the numbers used in the names of the .pkg's and the info shown after the "." e.g: SYS_CON_FIRMWARE_01040402.pkg will be shown in screen as: 0E69.0001000400040002 (to convert the string just add a zeroed byte before every byte)

Based in the numbers used in the patches them can be ordered in a timeline from "older to newer": 0100****.pkg 0101****.pkg 0102****.pkg 0103****.pkg 0104****.pkg 0105****.pkg (there are only patches for 6 different syscons in 4.00 firmware, but probably there are more syscon generations used in newer motherboards that doesn't need patches yet)

The only patch that doesn't follow this rules is SYS_CON_FIRMWARE_S1_00010002083E0832.pkg whose numbers string doesn't need conversion, but it keeps the format 00010002******** (its unknown why this patch is speciall, and if it uses a different install method than the others)


Note there are only 5 syscon hardware series known in this order: CXR713F120A, CXR713120-201GB, SW-30x, SW2-30x, and SW3-30x

The SoftID versions are ordered chronologically, and are dependant of this hardware revisions of syscon. As an example the chronologicall order of SoftID availables for CXR713120-201GB is 0B8E--->0C16--->0D52--->0DBF--->0E69. After this SoftID the increasing numeration stops. In the next hardware revision of syscon (SW-30x series) the SoftID starts in 065D (is smaller than the previous series)... is not clear if this series continues with SW2-30x and later with SW3-30x because the numbers matches but the syscon hardware is a different series

The value used in SoftID is not an identifyer of syscon hardware itself, actually each syscon has several SoftiID compatibles (but this doesnt means that all the compatible versions can be installed because the syscon firmware contains code to initialize/manage/communicate with other components of the motherboard as cell, southbridge (and underlying starship?, sata/pata adaptor?), etc...). In the case of a syscon firmware installed in a compatible syscon but with an incorrect SoftID some components of the motherboard can stop working, the whole system unable to boot or permanently bricked

It seems CXR713F120A and CXR713120-201GB has the same package/pinout... so maybe this first 2 syscon models can be refered as "CXR713 series" his SoftID versions keeps the chronologically order. Then the "rare" version is "03FB" because there is a "jump" after it... maybe this strange behaviour in the versions is related with the "CP updates" ?

Note at the bottom of this page: http://www.ps3devwiki.com/wiki/Talk:System_Controller_Firmware (CXR713F120A syscon located ON the Communication Processor Board). Is the same component, but is an important change in the hardware, this can be a good reason to keep a different SoftID versioning for this "pre-release" DECR models

Example tables (please help to fill it)

PS3 Model Board Syscon (Part Nº) Fw installed SoftID.SysconPatch@SC SoftID SysconPatch
Installed		 Patches compatibles / Notes
DECR-1000/1000A TMU-520 ? CXR713F120A 4.30
(CP ver 1.33)		 03FB.0000000000000000@SC generation 0 v1.0.5c1_TMU510_u.bin None (updated through CP, full firmware overwritten)
DEH-H1000A(S)(-E(S)) COK-001 ? CXR713F120A 4.30 0B67.0000000000000000@SC generation 0 n/a None
DEH-H1001-D COK-001 ? CXR713F120A 4.30 0B67.0000000000000000@SC generation 0 n/a None
CECHAxx COK-001 CXR713120-201GB 3.41+ 0B8E.0001000000000006@SC generation 1 v1.0.0 update 6 01000004.pkg (1.30fw), 01000005.pkg (1.81fw), 01000006.pkg (3.40fw)
CECHBxx COK-001 CXR713120-201GB ???? 0B8E.000100000000????@SC generation 1 v1.0.0 ??? <------- Needed example
CECHCxx COK-002 CXR713120-201GB 3.70 0C16.0001000100030003@SC generation 2 v1.1.3 update 3 01010302.pkg (1.81fw), 01010303.pkg (3.40fw)
CECHExx COK-002 or
COK-002W		 CXR713120-201GB ??? 0C16.000100010003????@SC generation 2 v1.1.3 ??? <------- Needed example
CECHGxx SEM-001 CXR713120-201GB 3.55 0D52.0001000200030002@SC generation 3 v1.2.3 update 2 01020302.pkg (3.40fw)
CECHHxx DIA-001 CXR714120-301GB 4.00 0DBF.0001000300030002@SC generation 4 v1.3.3 update 2 01030302.pkg (3.40fw)
CECHJxx DIA-002 CXR714120-301GB 3.55 0E69.0001000400040002@SC generation 5 v1.4.4 update 2 01040402.pkg (3.40fw)
CECHKxx DIA-002 CXR714120-301GB 3.55 0E69.0001000400040002@SC generation 5 v1.4.4 update 2 01040402.pkg (3.40fw)
DECR-1400/1400A DEB-001 ? CXR714120-301GB ??? 4.30 0E69.0001000400040001@SC generation 5 v1.4.4 update 1 None (never updated)
Unknown Unknown CXR714120-301GB ??? ???? 0F29.0001000500000002@SC generation 6 v1.5.0 update 2 01050002.pkg (3.40fw) - prototype? (see: platform.id "Gno")
Unknown Unknown CXR714120-301GB ??? ???? 0F38.0001000500010001@SC generation 7 v1.5.1 update 1 01050101.pkg (3.41fw) - prototype? (see: platform.id "Gno")
CECHLxx VER-001 SW-30x 3.65 065D.0000000000000000@SC generation 8 n/a None
CECHMxx VER-001 SW-30x ???? 065D.0000000000000000@SC generation 8 n/a None
CECHPxx VER-001 SW-30x 4.00 065D.0000000000000000@SC generation 8 n/a None
CECHQxx VER-001 SW-30x 4.00 065D.0000000000000000@SC generation 8 n/a None
CECH-20xx DYN-001 SW2-30x 4.00 0832.00010002083E0832@SC generation 9 S1_00010002083E0832.pkg S1_00010002083E0832.pkg (3.00fw)
CECH-21xx SUR-001 SW2-30x 4.31 08A0.0000000000000000@SC generation 10 n/a None
CECH-25xx JTP-001 or
JSD-001		 SW2-30x 4.00 08C2.0000000000000000@SC generation 11 n/a None
CECH-30xx KTE-001 SW2-30x 4.00 0918.0000000000000000@SC generation 12 n/a None
CECH-40xx MSX-001 or
MPX-001		 SW3-30x 4.31 098F.0000000000000000@SC generation 13 n/a None
Rows marked in gray are non-retail models
  • Table notes
    • "SoftID" column is not needed. All mentions to "generations" are obsolete and is not an accurate way to identify them, but is useful to know how many different versions there are by looking at the bottom of the table instead of counting all different rows, by now is better to dont remove it
    • Is possible to add another interesting column "Syscon VER (UART command)" documented here: Syscon_Hardware#Syscon_UART. But we have only 1 example 00000000 S1E 00 00 065D, noted here because belongs to SoftID 065D and gives a hint of the versioning used (S1E maybe is "Series 30" refered to "SW-30x part number")


i think that this will explain everything: http://pastebin.com/k8KHGkzB and these are the generation of the SC http://pastebin.com/aJ3gxRKx (probably the first group is the correct one). 

03FB -> 001111111011
0B67 -> 101101100111
0B8E -> 101110001110
0C16 -> 110000010110
0D52 -> 110101010010
0DBF -> 110110111111
0E69 -> 111001101001
065D -> 011001011101
0832 -> 100000110010
08A0 -> 100010100000
08C2 -> 100011000010
0918 -> 100100011000
098F -> 100110001111

Deroad 19:06, 21 November 2012 (MSK)

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