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This is the place to discuss the details about how we are organizing the PS2 compatibility list, please all the people that was activelly editing it since many time ago join the talk, i know we still have some small disagreements but please let those for the ending and help into making this template something usable<br> | This is the place to discuss the details about how we are organizing the PS2 compatibility list, please all the people that was activelly editing it since many time ago join the talk, i know we still have some small disagreements but please let those for the ending and help into making this template something usable<br> | ||
in the last months we have someone modifying the names of the WRC games and deleting others repetitivelly just because she/he considers we are doing it wrong, i thought most of this details was self explanatory but it seems there is people that doesnt gets it, so this template will clarify what to do or not to do. Please lets organize this talk in sections, there are too much details that deserves a description--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 11:27, 1 October 2022 (UTC)<br> | in the last months we have someone modifying the names of the WRC games and deleting others repetitivelly just because she/he considers we are doing it wrong, i thought most of this details was self explanatory but it seems there is people that doesnt gets it, so this template will clarify what to do or not to do. Please lets organize this talk in sections, there are too much details that deserves a description--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 11:27, 1 October 2022 (UTC)<br> | ||
The fact is we never had a "list of rules", the first time someone wrote something related with the compatibility lists game names style was roxanne in [https://www.psx-place.com/threads/compatibility-list-ps2-on-ps3.1306/page-67#post-134554 this post]. She was making a resume of what some wiki editors was doing previouslly, and at the same time she was making some suggestions about what to do with the most problematic game names. Im quoting some senteces from that post because it was the last time (and i guess the only) someone was talking about the game names style, and because some of that suggestions was taken literally by other wiki editors, but it was not an strict "list of rules"--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 19:46, 7 October 2022 (UTC) | The fact is we never had a "list of rules", the first time someone wrote something related with the compatibility lists game names style was roxanne in [https://www.psx-place.com/threads/compatibility-list-ps2-on-ps3.1306/page-67#post-134554 this post]. She was making a resume of what some wiki editors was doing previouslly, and at the same time she was making some suggestions about what to do with the most problematic game names. Im quoting some senteces from that post because it was the last time (and i guess the only) someone was talking about the game names style, and because some of that suggestions was taken literally by other wiki editors, but it was not an strict "list of rules"--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 19:46, 7 October 2022 (UTC) | ||
== Alternative game names == | == Alternative game names in between parentheses == | ||
<pre>Roxanne wrote (in 2018) | <pre>Roxanne wrote (in 2018) | ||
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I guess roxanne suggested to enclose the alternative game name in between parentheses because she was thinking in displaying all the game names '''in a single line''', so there was a need to separate the game names with some additional characters, as example. "Name 1 / Name 2 / Name 3" or "Name (Alternative Name)" or something like that. But after many months experimenting with it someone (im not sure who) started replacing the parentheses by a <nowiki><br></nowiki> (in other words, "one line per name") and this style became more popular for other wiki editors because: 1) is a lot more clear and readable 2) Is a rule easyer to remember 3) is partially failproof to prevent the "autowrapping" of game names incase we was displaying all them in a single line 4) Is not restricted because allows to add as many names we want. I hope at this point roxanne agrees that using the <nowiki><br></nowiki> is a better solution, is just when she wrote that post (in 2018) she was really trying to figure how to display everything in a single line in the better way posible (in other words, she never considered the alternative we are using now with the <nowiki><br></nowiki>) but since we are using the <nowiki><br></nowiki> at "Game Name" column there are different arguments to consider--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 19:46, 7 October 2022 (UTC) | I guess roxanne suggested to enclose the alternative game name in between parentheses because she was thinking in displaying all the game names '''in a single line''', so there was a need to separate the game names with some additional characters, as example. "Name 1 / Name 2 / Name 3" or "Name (Alternative Name)" or something like that. But after many months experimenting with it someone (im not sure who) started replacing the parentheses by a <nowiki><br></nowiki> (in other words, "one line per name") and this style became more popular for other wiki editors because: 1) is a lot more clear and readable 2) Is a rule easyer to remember 3) is partially failproof to prevent the "autowrapping" of game names incase we was displaying all them in a single line 4) Is not restricted because allows to add as many names we want. I hope at this point roxanne agrees that using the <nowiki><br></nowiki> is a better solution, is just when she wrote that post (in 2018) she was really trying to figure how to display everything in a single line in the better way posible (in other words, she never considered the alternative we are using now with the <nowiki><br></nowiki>) but since we are using the <nowiki><br></nowiki> at "Game Name" column there are different arguments to consider--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 19:46, 7 October 2022 (UTC) | ||
== Game names at most right column == | |||
I never understood the rules some of you have been using to decide if the game name is displayed at right column, please someome explain, it needs to be a description the shortest and most explicit posible. I dont even know if what i wrote in [[Special:Diff/68177/68178|this edit]] is completly correct because is someway related, actually... if you ask me i would say to simplify this rule by displaying 100% of the game names at most left column and remove all game names from the most right column --[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 12:28, 1 October 2022 (UTC) | I never understood the rules some of you have been using to decide if the game name is displayed at right column, please someome explain, it needs to be a description the shortest and most explicit posible. I dont even know if what i wrote in [[Special:Diff/68177/68178|this edit]] is completly correct because is someway related, actually... if you ask me i would say to simplify this rule by displaying 100% of the game names at most left column and remove all game names from the most right column --[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 12:28, 1 October 2022 (UTC) | ||
<pre>Roxanne wrote (in 2018) | <pre>Roxanne wrote (in 2018) | ||
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This is also a bit related with the concept of displaying the games in a single line... or... in several lines with the <nowiki><br></nowiki>. I think the main reason why roxanne suggested to move some game names to the "Compatibility Notes" right column was because in some games the amount of texts in the "Game Name" column at left was going to be excesive, so adding also the names in japanese was going to be overkill (and autowrapped for sure, more than 3 game names in the same line, it was inviable). So, the desperate solution was to move the japanese game names to the "Compatibility Notes" column at right, but resulted in something tricky to understand and remember, is a bit like the logic of a programming language with a lot of "if-else" statements. But... the <nowiki><br></nowiki> trick is actually solving this problem, with it we dont have any clustered texts at left. We can move '''all''' the game names to the "Game Name" column (as it should, the table was designed that way, it doesnt makes much sensense conceptually to write a game name outside of the "Game Name" column). The only payback is there will be some table rows with an excesive height caused by the <nowiki><br></nowiki>'s of the "Game Name" row, but that's just a tiny visual annoyance (in this case the visual look is not prioritary). In my oppinion the priority is to simplify the "list of rules" for everyone (and specially to new wiki editors) to know what to do--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 19:46, 7 October 2022 (UTC) | This is also a bit related with the concept of displaying the games in a single line... or... in several lines with the <nowiki><br></nowiki>. I think the main reason why roxanne suggested to move some game names to the "Compatibility Notes" right column was because in some games the amount of texts in the "Game Name" column at left was going to be excesive, so adding also the names in japanese was going to be overkill (and autowrapped for sure, more than 3 game names in the same line, it was inviable). So, the desperate solution was to move the japanese game names to the "Compatibility Notes" column at right, but resulted in something tricky to understand and remember, is a bit like the logic of a programming language with a lot of "if-else" statements. But... the <nowiki><br></nowiki> trick is actually solving this problem, with it we dont have any clustered texts at left. We can move '''all''' the game names to the "Game Name" column (as it should, the table was designed that way, it doesnt makes much sensense conceptually to write a game name outside of the "Game Name" column). The only payback is there will be some table rows with an excesive height caused by the <nowiki><br></nowiki>'s of the "Game Name" row, but that's just a tiny visual annoyance (in this case the visual look is not prioritary). In my oppinion the priority is to simplify the "list of rules" for everyone (and specially to new wiki editors) to know what to do--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 19:46, 7 October 2022 (UTC) | ||
== Game names | == Game names order == | ||
So far we have been ordering game names (table rows) strictly alphabetically, following the preferences of a plugin installed in this wiki that does the work automatically when we click in the arrow icons at top/header of the tables, i tryed to explain it here https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/Talk:Emulation but today an anonimous editor reorganized some of them following the release sequence. Lets say in the same franquise the first game never was given the sufiix "1" but the next games probably have the suffix "2" or "3" so wiki locates the first game as last. This problem is recurrent and personally i dont have a preference of doing it one way or the other, but right now the sorting mechanics are partially broken, and the only way to fix it is either returning back or cheating the plugin [[Special:Diff/68171/68175|'''this way''']] by using '''''data-sort-value''''' --[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 11:27, 1 October 2022 (UTC) | So far we have been ordering game names (table rows) strictly alphabetically, following the preferences of a plugin installed in this wiki that does the work automatically when we click in the arrow icons at top/header of the tables, i tryed to explain it here https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/Talk:Emulation but today an anonimous editor reorganized some of them following the release sequence. Lets say in the same franquise the first game never was given the sufiix "1" but the next games probably have the suffix "2" or "3" so wiki locates the first game as last. This problem is recurrent and personally i dont have a preference of doing it one way or the other, but right now the sorting mechanics are partially broken, and the only way to fix it is either returning back or cheating the plugin [[Special:Diff/68171/68175|'''this way''']] by using '''''data-sort-value''''' --[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 11:27, 1 October 2022 (UTC) | ||