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=Discussion, ideas, brainstormings goes here=
==Alphabetical order of the table rows in the compatibility lists==
Since some months ago, the tables used in the compatibility lists uses the "sortable" feature (see [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Sorting 1] and [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Sorting 2]) and is relativelly easy to find the game names incorrectly ordered. The proceure to check if the order is right is:
#) Reload the page (just incase you had the page already loaded and you was clicking in the sorting arrows, by reloading the page we are resetting all he columns sortings to defaults)
#) Click in the arrow at top of the "Name" column and see if some of the horizontal rows have moved. If one or more rows was moved it means that rows are incorrectly ordered<br>
The procedure to fix it is pretty much the same, the trick is to keep attention at how mediawiki is reordering them when we click in the arrows:
#) Click in "edit" in one of the page sections
#) Click in the arrow at top of the "Name" column
#) Move the problematic rows up/down by copypasting them
#) Update the sortings by clicking in "show preview"<br>
In the long tables (bigger than your vertical screen size) is needed to repeat it a few times to realize which row is the culprit and where needs to be relocated. The final confirmation that all the rows has been correctly ordered is if we click in the "Name" arrow and all the rows '''stays in his position''' (this means the order how are written in the page matches with the sorting methods used internally by mediawiki software)--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 12:53, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 
==Discussion, ideas, brainstormings goes here==
No hurry this rebuilding take days, weeks or more in the way i see, at this day (october 7 2017) the emulation frontpage and talk pages has been splitted and cleaned up completly, the reason for this carnage is because i think is better to start from scratch without any restriction in how are going to look and his purposes, there are a lot fo details needed to be mentioned but this is just an introductory explain of the discussion that goes under this line, feel free to join the party by giving your ideas and oppinions and help to solve the problems
No hurry this rebuilding take days, weeks or more in the way i see, at this day (october 7 2017) the emulation frontpage and talk pages has been splitted and cleaned up completly, the reason for this carnage is because i think is better to start from scratch without any restriction in how are going to look and his purposes, there are a lot fo details needed to be mentioned but this is just an introductory explain of the discussion that goes under this line, feel free to join the party by giving your ideas and oppinions and help to solve the problems


==Wiki main page templates restructuring==
===Bringing back some moved texts===
I think we need a new template on main page for the game compatibility lists, actually right now are inside a "revere engineering" template and thats not right. Additionally we have the page OFW2CFW game compatibility list that doesnt fits in any other template... so in few words we need a {{Game Compatibility Lists}} template for the main page... or something like that (any idea is welcome)--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Probably there are lot of small sentences or sections that has been moved to the other pages... but could fit well here because are general concepts or could work as an introduction... the rule of gold now is this page is "noob oriented" and the others are "technically oriented", im not experienced in emulators so much to make this changes rewriting and moving texts back and forth and i fear to "break" something though--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)


==PS1, PS2, PSP Game compatibility lists in talk pages==
===Wiki navigation tables/lists for emulation frontpage===
There was some huge compatibility lists made by euss iirc that has been moved to [[Talk:PS1 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]], [[Talk:PS2 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]], and [[Talk:PSP Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]. Was made long ago when there was no pages in wiki dedicated to games compatibility, now we are using a new style for game compatibility lists such [[PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]], we should try to move that info to the new format and creating all the needed new pages for the different "emulation enviroments" (i like how sounds this concept btw, is noob friendly, explicit, and accurate)--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)


==Bringing back some moved texts==
*ps1_emu.self
Probably there are lot of small sentences or sections that has been moved to the other pages... but could fit well here because are general concepts or could work as an introduction... the rule of gold now is this page is "noob oriented" and the others are "technically oriented", im not experienced in emulators so much to make this changes rewriting and moving texts back and forth and i fear to "break" something though--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
**available for PS3 models - all
**available in firmwares  - since 1.02
**game format              - original CD inserted in the drive
**savedata format (hdd)    - dev_hdd0/savedata/vmc/<virtual_memcard>.VM1
**savedata format (usb)    - dev_usb0/PS3/EXPORT/PSV/<Save_ID>.PSV
**savedata format (mc)    - mc_root/ (by using a memory card adapter)
**technical page          - [[PS1 Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - NEEDED
 
*ps1_netemu.self
**available for PS3 models - all (PS1 classics)
**available in firmwares  - since 1.70
**game format              - ISO.BIN.EDAT (officially), BIN/CUE (unofficially)
**savedata format (hdd)    - ?
**savedata format (usb)    - dev_usb0/PSP/SAVEDATA/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/SCEVMC0.VMP
**savedata format (mc)    - allowed ?
**technical page          - [[PS1 Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - [[PS1 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]
 
*ps1_newemu.self
**available for PS3 models - ?
**available in firmwares  - since 2.10
**game format              - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page           - [[PS1 Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - needed ?
 
 
*ps2_emu.self
**available for PS3 models - CECHA and CECHB (COK-001)
**available in firmwares  - since 1.02
**game format              - original CD/DVD inserted in the drive
**savedata format (hdd)    - dev_hdd0/savedata/vmc/<virtual_memcard>.VM2
**savedata format (usb)    - dev_usb0/PS3/EXPORT/PSV/<Save_ID>.PSV
**savedata format (mc)    - mc_root/ (by using a memory card adapter)
**game install            - yes (only few games, by using a PS2 virtual hdd IMAGE.DAT)
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_and_PlayStation_2_games_compatible_with_PlayStation_3.html
 
*ps2_gxemu.self
**available for PS3 models - CECHC (COK-002)
**available in firmwares  - since 1.50
**game format              - original CD/DVD inserted in the drive
**game install            - yes (only few games, by using a PS2 virtual hdd IMAGE.DAT)
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_and_PlayStation_2_games_compatible_with_PlayStation_3.html
 
*ps2_softemu.self
**available for PS3 models - fats/slim newer than CECHC
**available in firmwares  - since 1.90 then blocked in 3.50 and removed in 4.21 ?
**game format              - original CD/DVD inserted in the drive
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - not needed (abandoned officially and superseded by netemu)


==About the names used in the new pages==
*ps2_netemu.self
[[PS1 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]], [[PS2 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]], [[PSP Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]... Are long names and a bit redundant, the tail "in PS3 firmware" is because i want to avoid any missunderstandign incase some wiki editor wants to write something related with other kind of emulators (not included as part of PS3 firmware), so if at some point other people wants to create new pages about other type of emualators (standalone programas) then is ok, wiki is ready for that because this names are very explicit, also the names includes the concept of "emulation enviroments" because PS3 firmware contains several emulators of each emulated platform (the newemu, netemu, softemu etc...). To solve the problem of the long page names has been created the redirections [[PS1 Emulators]], [[PS2 Emulators]], [[PSP Emulators]], im not sure if is a good idea to use them though, if someone has a better idea we are on time of changing all this, if there is some important change needed to do related with this page names discuss it here because this is the kind of thing that needs to be changed better soon than later--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 14:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
**available for PS3 models - all (PS2 classics)
**available in firmwares  - since 3.70
**game format              - ISO.BIN.EDAT ISO.BIN.ENC (officially), BIN CUE (unofficially)
**savedata format/path    - APPDIR/USRDIR/SAVEDATA/SCEVMC0.VME and SCEVMC1.VME
**settings                - by using CONFIG files
**technical page           - [[PS2 Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - [[PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]


=Table tests goes here=
All tests with tables, design or style experiments to try to show the info in a intuitive way goes here


*the game compatibility lists, with the technicall pages associated at his sides
*psp_emulator.elf
**available for PS3 models - all but CECHB ? (PSP Remasters ?)
**available in firmwares  - since 3.15
**game format              - ISO.BIN.EDAT and APPDIR/USRDIR/CONTENT/EBOOT.PBP/DATA.PSAR ? (PSP minis)
**savedata format (hdd)    - dev_hdd0/home/<userid>/minis_savedata/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/Files
**savedata format (usb)    - dev_usb0/PSP/SAVEDATA/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/Files
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page          - [[PSP Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - [[PSP Emulator Compatibility List]]


*the main page template for the compatibility lists
*psp_translator.elf
**available for PS3 models - all but CECHB ? (PSP Minis ?)
**available in firmwares  - since 3.15
**game format              - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page           - [[PSP Emulation]]
**game compatibility list  - Needed ? (for minis ?)


*whatever
==PS2 Config Commands splitting==
I think is about time to split the [[PS2 Emulation#Config Commands]] (currently a page section) into a dedicated page named [[PS2 Config Commands]] that could be included in [[Template:Reverse engineering]] (next to [[PS2 Emulation]]). The [[Template:Boxcomm]] used currently was a temporal visual fix to avoid a massive TOC in [[PS2 Emulation]] but in the dedicated page we will not need it (there is another named [[Template:Boxtip1]] [[Template:Boxtip2]] [[Template:Boxtip3]] more handy to include some "noob friendly" descriptions), every command will be a page section (and we will be able to read the complete list of comand names in the TOC, edit them individually, and see the changelog in the "recent changes" page indiividually too). The new page doesnt needs to be composed as a single list of commands '''only''' (page sections), we can create many other sections as example to prepare some kind of intro/tutorial of related stuf (even the tools used to dissasembly, or the tricks used to debug in PC emulators), or use other alternative names for the page name like "The PS2 Config Workshop", comment below with your suggestions. This splitting also implyes we need to move the speculative/unconfirmed info from the old talk page to the new talk page --[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 08:34, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 10:34, 25 September 2022

Alphabetical order of the table rows in the compatibility lists[edit source]

Since some months ago, the tables used in the compatibility lists uses the "sortable" feature (see 1 and 2) and is relativelly easy to find the game names incorrectly ordered. The proceure to check if the order is right is:

  1. ) Reload the page (just incase you had the page already loaded and you was clicking in the sorting arrows, by reloading the page we are resetting all he columns sortings to defaults)
  2. ) Click in the arrow at top of the "Name" column and see if some of the horizontal rows have moved. If one or more rows was moved it means that rows are incorrectly ordered

The procedure to fix it is pretty much the same, the trick is to keep attention at how mediawiki is reordering them when we click in the arrows:

  1. ) Click in "edit" in one of the page sections
  2. ) Click in the arrow at top of the "Name" column
  3. ) Move the problematic rows up/down by copypasting them
  4. ) Update the sortings by clicking in "show preview"

In the long tables (bigger than your vertical screen size) is needed to repeat it a few times to realize which row is the culprit and where needs to be relocated. The final confirmation that all the rows has been correctly ordered is if we click in the "Name" arrow and all the rows stays in his position (this means the order how are written in the page matches with the sorting methods used internally by mediawiki software)--Sandungas (talk) 12:53, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Discussion, ideas, brainstormings goes here[edit source]

No hurry this rebuilding take days, weeks or more in the way i see, at this day (october 7 2017) the emulation frontpage and talk pages has been splitted and cleaned up completly, the reason for this carnage is because i think is better to start from scratch without any restriction in how are going to look and his purposes, there are a lot fo details needed to be mentioned but this is just an introductory explain of the discussion that goes under this line, feel free to join the party by giving your ideas and oppinions and help to solve the problems

Bringing back some moved texts[edit source]

Probably there are lot of small sentences or sections that has been moved to the other pages... but could fit well here because are general concepts or could work as an introduction... the rule of gold now is this page is "noob oriented" and the others are "technically oriented", im not experienced in emulators so much to make this changes rewriting and moving texts back and forth and i fear to "break" something though--Sandungas (talk) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Wiki navigation tables/lists for emulation frontpage[edit source]

  • ps1_emu.self
    • available for PS3 models - all
    • available in firmwares - since 1.02
    • game format - original CD inserted in the drive
    • savedata format (hdd) - dev_hdd0/savedata/vmc/<virtual_memcard>.VM1
    • savedata format (usb) - dev_usb0/PS3/EXPORT/PSV/<Save_ID>.PSV
    • savedata format (mc) - mc_root/ (by using a memory card adapter)
    • technical page - PS1 Emulation
    • game compatibility list - NEEDED
  • ps1_netemu.self
    • available for PS3 models - all (PS1 classics)
    • available in firmwares - since 1.70
    • game format - ISO.BIN.EDAT (officially), BIN/CUE (unofficially)
    • savedata format (hdd) - ?
    • savedata format (usb) - dev_usb0/PSP/SAVEDATA/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/SCEVMC0.VMP
    • savedata format (mc) - allowed ?
    • technical page - PS1 Emulation
    • game compatibility list - PS1 Classics Emulator Compatibility List
  • ps1_newemu.self
    • available for PS3 models - ?
    • available in firmwares - since 2.10
    • game format - ?
    • savedata format/path - ?
    • technical page - PS1 Emulation
    • game compatibility list - needed ?


  • ps2_softemu.self
    • available for PS3 models - fats/slim newer than CECHC
    • available in firmwares - since 1.90 then blocked in 3.50 and removed in 4.21 ?
    • game format - original CD/DVD inserted in the drive
    • savedata format/path - ?
    • technical page - PS2 Emulation
    • game compatibility list - not needed (abandoned officially and superseded by netemu)
  • ps2_netemu.self
    • available for PS3 models - all (PS2 classics)
    • available in firmwares - since 3.70
    • game format - ISO.BIN.EDAT ISO.BIN.ENC (officially), BIN CUE (unofficially)
    • savedata format/path - APPDIR/USRDIR/SAVEDATA/SCEVMC0.VME and SCEVMC1.VME
    • settings - by using CONFIG files
    • technical page - PS2 Emulation
    • game compatibility list - PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List


  • psp_emulator.elf
    • available for PS3 models - all but CECHB ? (PSP Remasters ?)
    • available in firmwares - since 3.15
    • game format - ISO.BIN.EDAT and APPDIR/USRDIR/CONTENT/EBOOT.PBP/DATA.PSAR ? (PSP minis)
    • savedata format (hdd) - dev_hdd0/home/<userid>/minis_savedata/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/Files
    • savedata format (usb) - dev_usb0/PSP/SAVEDATA/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/Files
    • savedata format/path - ?
    • technical page - PSP Emulation
    • game compatibility list - PSP Emulator Compatibility List
  • psp_translator.elf
    • available for PS3 models - all but CECHB ? (PSP Minis ?)
    • available in firmwares - since 3.15
    • game format - ?
    • savedata format/path - ?
    • technical page - PSP Emulation
    • game compatibility list - Needed ? (for minis ?)

PS2 Config Commands splitting[edit source]

I think is about time to split the PS2 Emulation#Config Commands (currently a page section) into a dedicated page named PS2 Config Commands that could be included in Template:Reverse engineering (next to PS2 Emulation). The Template:Boxcomm used currently was a temporal visual fix to avoid a massive TOC in PS2 Emulation but in the dedicated page we will not need it (there is another named Template:Boxtip1 Template:Boxtip2 Template:Boxtip3 more handy to include some "noob friendly" descriptions), every command will be a page section (and we will be able to read the complete list of comand names in the TOC, edit them individually, and see the changelog in the "recent changes" page indiividually too). The new page doesnt needs to be composed as a single list of commands only (page sections), we can create many other sections as example to prepare some kind of intro/tutorial of related stuf (even the tools used to dissasembly, or the tricks used to debug in PC emulators), or use other alternative names for the page name like "The PS2 Config Workshop", comment below with your suggestions. This splitting also implyes we need to move the speculative/unconfirmed info from the old talk page to the new talk page --Sandungas (talk) 08:34, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

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